What is The Landmark Forum? Is it a Cult or a Weird Business? (Corporate Casket)

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Phaedrus 79
Phaedrus 79

I don’t believe he didn’t molest his daughters. He probably blackmailed her to say she didn’t.

Dzień temu
nayah Rocher
nayah Rocher

It's not a cult! I have done it and that was one of the best thing I did for myself. The only critic I have is that they are money driven and they pressure you to bring clients to them.

5 dni temu
B R
B R

A bunch of my family members did this, and a bunch of business in my city make their management go. I went to one of the recruitment seminars when I was like 18. They said shit like “there’s things you know, things you don’t know, and thing you don’t know you don’t know” implying we didn’t know we didn’t know that we needed landmark. I recall completely derailing what the guy was saying in his lecture cause he drew a giant perfect circle and young me yelled out “that is the nicest circle I’ve ever seen”. That’s all I remember.

6 dni temu
looseleafpage
looseleafpage

*one minute into video* this feels like NXIVM

6 dni temu
Eliza Yencken
Eliza Yencken

it really shouldn't be applied to people with underlying psychiatric issues, and since they are not equipped to assess this, they can't ethically offer it to anyone. The Landmark forum is unsafe, a psychological blitzkrieg.

8 dni temu
eggsD
eggsD

I’m in the 3 day long session right now (near the end) and I’m a bit cautious

11 dni temu
BlueCheeseNoFleas
BlueCheeseNoFleas

Honestly it is a cult i did landmark a couple of years ago, over the course of that 1 year i did a follow up course(spent over $1200),. And attended several smaller sessions. Im grateful for the oppertunity but essentially its a massive sales pitch. During the introduction to landmark your bombarded with sales pitches constantly. People do share there personal experiences in front of a crowd of over 100. About 2 years ago i faced major depression and was on the verge of ending it. Nothing landmark forum taught me made a difference. The final nail in the coffin for me was i was invited to a friends house. And a representative from landmark forum was there. She was there to recruit people to basically enroll and do the forum basically pay over $600 for 3 days. I spoke to this person about how i felt my own life experiences helped me rather then the forum. Basically she got my friend to ask me to leave because it would have effected recruitment. Landmark form continuously talks about autheticity and here was a fine example of it. Serious fuck this shit organisation.

11 dni temu
Alexis the makeshift human
Alexis the makeshift human

I did the Forum and several other courses. it's kind of like a super fancy and expensive (and long) placebo: you are the actual source of any changes you make in your life, and being in the presence of a bunch of people making a lot of changes and facing issues they've been running from head-on can be motivating and educational. But it is a company trying to thrive in late-stage capitalism and has a vested interest in maintaining the status quo, despite claiming to be an instrument of "transformation." Any actual transformative experiences I had there (and I had some) were the result of people who were kind, channeling their kindness through the ideology of Landmark; not FROM that ideology itself.

11 dni temu
BeccaBear
BeccaBear

Disorientated?

11 dni temu
Asya VaLoR
Asya VaLoR

i was forced to go to this a couple years ago and had a full blown argument with the person leading it. i absolutely hated it and it was so fucking weird and cult like seriously

13 dni temu
Vic G
Vic G

Maybe a little silly but let me ask you if you or anyone else has ever experienced what we call death and if one has and they are alive again do you think those who have not experienced death will understand if you explained your experience to them. If I tell you about my experience in Europe do you think it will be the same as anyone else's. Do you think reading about something is the same as having an experience and even then is my experience the same as yours. Would I not have to be you to have the same experience. In this day and age we think just because we have information that we know, and yes we know but on a level of memory only not experience. Can one really understand someone else's experience or does it just become judgement. Is the world not in a judgement mode at the moment. To get along with others in this new world should we not understand ourselves first before we judge others. So the big question might be is how does one understand oneself. Maybe Landmard does that?? Food for thought.

16 dni temu
Michael Yoder
Michael Yoder

I went to the Forum and Advanced course and volunteered for the Forum (which was Hell - unless you like being treated like a slave). MONEY is all they want. And Erhard apparently stole a lot of EST from Scientology. Landmark to me is Scientology-lite

17 dni temu
Andrea D
Andrea D

I'm BEYOND HAPPY you are doing this, I had a few friends who have gone into Landmark and I'm mortified I've been dragged into a few meetings by my friends exactly in "Hey I know of a cool thing that helped me come see what this is about." I would go I swear the second time I went they did not like me I spoke up how idiotic it is and how it does not work. They didn't like me at all I didn't want to be there I was trying to be a good friend by going with my friends. However, I told them that this is crazy. When I told friends straight out what they are involved in was a cult and brainwashing. They get defensive and often I'll point out how their behavior has changed and I will say "Don't talk to me like you're at the landmark." -I can't tell you how many times friends have been offended when I've said this, I try so hard to be gentle but at some point, I want to shake said friends awake. I also have friends that are in MLM's and I would say they have a similar mentality MLM's and things like Landmark, Momento, and various things like this. They prey on peoples depression, sadness, and etc

18 dni temu
Taina Edwards
Taina Edwards

It's worse than you think

18 dni temu
A Z
A Z

Gaslighting at its finest

19 dni temu
Neal Wexler
Neal Wexler

I've been attending landmark seminars for well over 15 years. I can honestly say that the landmark forum saved my life. Prior to landmark forum I was a very lost and angry person and the landmark forum gave me the tools to pull my life together. I am now a very happy and successful person and about to get married to the love of my life. However, that being said, and as much as I love landmark and what it has done for me and what I've seen it do for others, I do question some of their business practices. I've often said that I can't understand how a company that does so good for the world can have such a bad reputation. However, I've seen them change their business practices to be less hard sell, and change their overall dynamic to be more customer-centric. When I first started taking landmark courses I was incredibly turned off by there pressure to bring guests, and really felt they would do better behaving like a normal company that offered valuable goods and services. There is a lot less pressure today, and hopefully going forward that will continue to improve. Landmark worldwide provides an amazing service and their seminars really do work, you just need to be able to take what works for you personally and leave behind whatever doesn't.

19 dni temu
Md Aamid
Md Aamid

Hey.. I am a graduate of landmark forum, well my opinion is everyone has there own life experience, there own views based on there past experience, landmark challenges those view, it helps to distinguish that we view everything through a view. You can keep it or discard it. There will always be critics for sure. You need to do Landmark forum to experience it. It may work for you or may not work.

20 dni temu
Morgan Hoch
Morgan Hoch

My memory is very fuzzy but I went to landmark as a teenager. It was a specific Landmark Forum for teens btw. And not everything they said was wrong or unhelpful. But I remember a lot of weird moments and frankly inappropriate rules. Especially since we were all still children, I was about 13 or 14 at the time I think. They told people to not take almost ANY medication during the three days. They were specifically talking about pain medication, antidepressants, etc. so they were basically telling people who may have a psychiatric issues to not take their medication. This was over 14 years ago but it still disturbs me to this day. They also were aggressive, condescending to the kids, and did the same “you are responsible for everything” saying. They also had us do this weird thing where we sat in silence with our eyes closed imagining every awful thing we could think of or something. And people started crying and curling up in a ball on their seats as the instructor encouraged us to sit in this horrible mental space. Like a nightmare guided meditation. It was very strange. They told stories about success stories that I am fairly certain were not true now. The pros, for me, was being introduced to the concept that how we perceive things and react to them can greatly impact how we remember events in our lives and let those events shape us. But I think I could have learned that anyways, without all the weird moments. Oh and the whole can’t get up to pee thing? Yeah. That fucking sucked. And I don’t get why they do that. They said it was to make us stay present and that if we left to pee we wouldn’t be allowed back in. In my personal opinion, they are the perfect embodiment of the phrase “a broken clock it right Twice a day”. They have a valid point here and there, but they are mostly completely wrong. And I’m retroactively horrified they had(have?) these lectures for minors.

20 dni temu
sizzybubbles
sizzybubbles

Thank you so much for making this video. I was super skeptical about Landmark after my weird experience with it. Basically I went to the recruitment forum? (Sorry I don't know what it was actually called, I had an 'in' as I know someone who had relations in it). The whole thing made me very uncomfortable and raised a lot of red flags. First off I very much felt like I was being pressured into doing it and the forum leader used very creative wording to kinda 'shame' you into not being proactive about changing your life or whatever. It was like I was being sold something by a very pushy salesmen. I can see how it would be easy to pressure a more fragile people into this. The fact that I had to take 3-4 days off work, pay several hundred dollars (even with my 'in'), and spend all day there with no 'distractions' was pretty ridiculous. Everything was very vague and and they kept preaching "breakthroughs" but I didn't know what about? It was all a lot of talk with very little information. ( I had gone to an actual licensed therapist before which... so i knew how this stuff worked and lots of things just didn't match up.) Lastly the cult mentality, lots of hurrah about how great they were with the leaders and assistants smiling an clapping creepily. It was just super uncomfortable. Sorry if this was kinda a jumble of thoughts, but it was a long time ago :)

22 dni temu
Tina Rodriguez
Tina Rodriguez

I lost a close friend to this bullshit! She tried to push this crap on me.

22 dni temu
The Wicked Lemon
The Wicked Lemon

I’ve done it. It’s interesting. I met Buck Angel there. Wouldn’t say it’s a cult per se but like it’s mildly sus.

23 dni temu
FURnDIAMONDS
FURnDIAMONDS

I went to the forum and the advanced course 2 years later and found both helpful and transformative. Their word of mouth marketing tactics are antiquated and really rub almost everyone the wrong way which is part of why I think they have such a bad reputation.

23 dni temu
MissyK1
MissyK1

There are many organizations that have helpful and/or interesting advice. This was my experience. The room that was used for the forum had the most uncomfortable chairs that we sat in for 13 hours per day. For three days. That was agony for me. I remember that part quite distinctly. Every time I went to the bathroom I was followed. Into the bathroom by an assistant. Every time. And chatted up by that person. I stayed for all three days and left slightly early on the third day. I had an eight hour drive home and work the next day. An assistant tried to get between me and the door on the way out of the forum. I was able to duck out. Staying those type of hours over three days did feel surreal, that’s for sure. I cannot remember too much about the conference except we were told to call people on breaks. For the purpose of trying to recruit them for an upcoming forum. If this sounds like your cup of tea, then by all means. It simply was not for me.

25 dni temu
Mice Are Nice
Mice Are Nice

Aaaahhh! I had 2 roommates and one roommate, myself and roommate's in this mess girlfriend hauled him out full confrontation style. He kept giving landmark money for taking course after course. It was a lot!

26 dni temu
Morgana l’Abeille
Morgana l’Abeille

Deprogramming is pseudoscientific abuse and the Cult Awareness Network was itself a cult

26 dni temu
Morgana l’Abeille
Morgana l’Abeille

It's just bad therapy. Anything positive people get out of it could just as easily be gotten from a therapist.

26 dni temu
Angie Long
Angie Long

I got blindsided into a recruitment meeting for Landmark. I was incredibly uncomfortable all evening as we were supposed to tell these 2 random guys what our goals and dreams were. They asked invasive questions about my life and when I said I didn't want to sign up the presenter continued to push me until I snapped "because I said NO!" At him. I'm an incredibly shy and anxious person and I don't snap easily. They were way too pushy and I've never truly forgiven the friend that manipulated me into that recruitment meeting. About a month later they called my wife to hustle her into considering joining again even after we had said no on the night. She literally had to interrupt the woman on the phone with "you're not respecting what I've said. I said no and I need you to listen and respect that." It was honestly so upsetting for me and I really wouldn't recommend

27 dni temu
ZePopTart
ZePopTart

My mom went to the forum, loved it, and encouraged me to go during the summer when I was in high school. I got some things out of it, but I honestly don’t remember much. I think it can help normal people who are just having a hard time taking responsibility for their life. It could be incredibly damaging for others. They are RELENTLESS about pressuring you to take more workshops. They try to make you feel like it’s the best way to make progress, which is just gross.

27 dni temu
EveryTimeV2
EveryTimeV2

They are a cult, and there is fuck all they can do to silence me.

28 dni temu
Jennifer Brower
Jennifer Brower

This kind of reminded me of Tony Robbins’ seminars.

28 dni temu
alyzu
alyzu

In my early 20's I had some teachers who'd been through EST. Luckily they didn't go all the way through the program, and weren't entirely boondoggled. That is some seriously wacky sh*t.

28 dni temu
Eric Wlezniak
Eric Wlezniak

The music was drowning your voice out a little.

29 dni temu
Chelsea
Chelsea

My dad went to this and loved it. He wanted me to go but it was a hard pass for me

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Rj Loreti
Rj Loreti

My new girlfriend is in a cult... fantastic... lol...

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Lila Masand
Lila Masand

Wow, I was so surprised to see Landmark in the title and thumbnail! I always grew up hearing about the Landmark Forum from my dad and I always thought it was a somewhat small, niche thing. I don't personally consider it a cult, or, at the very least, I think there are ways of engaging with it that don't require you to engage in cultish behavior. That being said, pretty much none of Landmark's teachings align with how I see the world and I hated the Forum when my dad made me do it. I 100% agree with others saying that while it might work or be harmless when it comes to smaller life and relationship issues, it is pretty egregious when it comes to trauma/abuse. During my forum, the leader told a girl in the forum to forgive her abusive mother because she had probably been through something difficult that made her like that, or something to that effect. I was pretty disgusted. Landmark encourages "letting go of anger" and that's why they push forgiveness so much, but that results in them telling abuse victims to forgive their abusers. I was also surprised to see the mention of The Hunger Project - my dad has been involved in that over the years and I didn't realize it had ties to Landmark. Personally I think THP is a pretty good organization, though I'm not a part of it in any way. While it doesn't seek to solve hunger in the traditional sense, it empowers women in countries like India (where my dad is from, I'm half-Indian) and tries to break abusive cycles of misogynistic abuse in rural villages, giving women higher status and the chance to work and make a difference for them and their communities. Edit: I'm realizing that I don't think I attended the entire session - I think because my dad knew the Landmark people, I only had to attend certain sessions or something. Also, I remembered that in my attempt to share and be open-minded I expressed that I had low self-esteem and bad body image. I think the leader brought me up on stage and basically just asked the crowd if they thought I was ugly, and no one said they did, and I guess that was supposed to help me 😂 Honestly that's so ridiculous it's funny, but clearly other people have had far more intense experiences than that.

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MLCueva
MLCueva

I highly recommend it... at surface level it seems a little nutty and crazy but sometime you have to take a chance with things. The things Ive achieved out of doing the work of transformation have been amazing to say the least, words dont even do it justice. Nor would I have ever thought landmark would be the place I would have created and completed those parts of my life. those This stuff is like zen for the westernized man and woman packaged in way that they can actually get it. Anything is possible. Bless you all. I say give it shot ..if not thats ok too...just sometimes we don't know what can be on the other side of that. Just remember those people see something available too you ...a possibility... thats why they share with you...they want you to have it too... in that space you can really see who people are beyond the veil ..and who you are as well.... amazing. Maybe not everyone experiences it the same..but whatever I did in that space has left me.....uh...forever grateful.

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Tami Topper
Tami Topper

I’ve done it, and I can see why it comes off as culty for sure!! That said, it helped me and I have no regrets taking it.

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Lisa Shaw
Lisa Shaw

I enjoy your videos & applaud the intense research. But please tone down the music. It is annoyimg & too loud making it hard to hear you.

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LaMar
LaMar

I did EST then the Forum and the most recent iteration Landmark, with years in between. Bottom line they are "how to be a better salesman" seminar. If you are not inclined in that direction I think there are better ways where you can gain from what they offer. I found benefit but after a while, I topped out on what they had to offer. To be honest the people who do it are the ones to turn it into a cult. I never felt the glassy-eyed devotion I saw some people experience about Erhard and "the work". You spend a lot of time learning how to sell the seminar you are taking to others. In fact, most of the time is spent learning how to sell it to others. Each workshop is learning how to work through the barriers emotional or otherwise that prevent you from selling the seminar you are taking to others. When you are done with that you polish your ability to sell the seminar you are taking. The most successful people are the ones who sell the seminar to others. I was never a salesperson. Shrug.

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Willem Vermeer
Willem Vermeer

Seems similar to Scientology in many ways, and pinched many of their ideas.

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Daniel Stewart
Daniel Stewart

Fun bit of trivia. EST people were involved in the TV show The Path and the e meter gismo used in the show was the EST version of the e meter made famous by L Ron Hubbard.

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Daniel Stewart
Daniel Stewart

I follow several ex scientologists and they all say Landmark is straight up Scientology dianetics complete with e meters and auditing. The Chuch of Scientology considers it a "squirrel" group ie an offshoot unsanctioned group....so yeah it is a cult.

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Will
Will

The tactics they use in their meetings/forums are classic cult & shady interrogation tactics. Not taking notes - 1 You might catch them in a discrepancy or inconsistency. 2. Noting taking is cognitive process, they don't what thinking too deeply. 3. Making everyone conform to their rules regardless if they make sense or not 4. Simple control Sensory deprivation - enclosed rooms, long hours, bright florescent lighting & drinking only water. These factors make you more susceptible to suggestion & their messaging Publicly releveling personal information can be used by the organizers to embarrass & shame attendees; most importantly it can be used to create GUILT. That guilt then can be exploited & used to manipulate attendees Creating the narrative that you are source of ALL your problems; and they have this special ability to resolve them...if you obey And I could go on....

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Manchitas
Manchitas

I went to Landmark Forum. Actually, recommended by a mental health professional. In New York City. As a diabetic, short breaks were very hard to take. Food was not available in the building, all nearby were street vendors and one pharmacy selling junk or sugared foods. I couldn't have that. Then this thing about making you contact your loved ones or write a letter and ask for forgiveness or invite them to a forum was a little odd too. However, that was years ago and I still keep in my mind what I learned.... Chocolate vs vanilla, my story and what is really going on around me, how my past influences my present. That was very good to learn. They wanted you to bring friends and family to the last meeting. I had nobody. And I could not afford to keep paying for more training. I gathered they were upset with me about that, and one even said "can you afford not to"? So, it is a little odd but I got a of of good from it that I still use in my life.

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Danielle Forrest
Danielle Forrest

There was definitely some questionable things about even the positive reviews. Like the guy that was told he didn’t want to be a full time parent. How is that helpful? That hurts the guy’s kids! That doesn’t help him process his issues, help him reduce his guilt or improve his relationship with his kids.

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Wendy Howell
Wendy Howell

Look into parachurch organizations like Campus Crusade for Christ or Cru. I was roped in as a college student and it is cult like.

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whatgamesweplay
whatgamesweplay

my brother tried to recruit me. I ran from the introductory seminar. My brother also later left his wife and children, probably influenced by the Forum

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Rom
Rom

it's wild that so many people have to be brainwashed into learning what amounts to basic empathy skills? As a teen I had a rocky relationship with my parents. As I became an adult I started to see them not as parents, but as people, who had tried their best to raise me but had also made mistakes. No one has a perfect childhood, and unless your parents were exceptionally abusive, growing up means forgiving them. And yet, these are a load of grown-ass adults, telling others to reconnect with dangerous abusers just because they couldn't empathise with their own parents until a cult told them to.

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Cliff Hanger
Cliff Hanger

Lost a good amount of money to landmark. It’s very boring and they just repeat the same stuff all day.

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Z Y
Z Y

5:20 Fascistic, not Fantastic

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Fulop Bonder
Fulop Bonder

This month brainwashing in Bogota!!! Este mes lavado de cerebro 🧠 en Bogotá.

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Mack Winn
Mack Winn

I am an ex rebranded Mind Dynamics Instructor and EST graduate from the mid 70s... Your video is thorough and accurate.... I could go on and on. However, I think it's more helpful to look at these groups as a "hussle" rather than a "cult".....although they definitely have cult elements. I think EST and most of the 1970s week end workshops were clearly a "hussle" and borrowed cult like practices in the service of increased enrollment and money making. A big question, is "does the group KEEP people enrolled for long periods over time"? In my experience, the longevity of participation is relatively short for most people. And YES, these groups are reckless, do not have any professional grounding and hurt people in the course of their "manipulative hussle"....Werner has roots to Holiday Magic Cosmetics and Encyclopedia sales...need I say more?...lol... Regards from Chicago...Mack

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Robert Platt
Robert Platt

There was an old painted advert on a brick building in NYC, it said "Hartz Mountain/Best For Your Pet". Some hipster got some paint and changed it to "art mountain/est for your pet"

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Heather Medling
Heather Medling

Definitely a cult. Anyone that protests much as they do are very sensitive to being labeled a cult due to having a lot to hide.

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Rachel Reynolds
Rachel Reynolds

A group of my friends got involved in this my senior year of high school. Their personalities changed so much and they got really, really weird. Like fake-enlightened-70's-guru cult weird. I got dragged to one of the free forum meetings. When I refused to share they pull the whole "Well you just have a problem with authority." thing. I agreed, flipped everyone off and walked out. I live with the knowledge I will never, ever be that bad@55 again. I peaked at 18.

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Ashley Jane
Ashley Jane

My parents sent me to a two weekend forum seminar when I was like 9..... hmmmm

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Miss A
Miss A

I went along with 2 friends, 15 years ago in Melb, Aus. One of my friends was the invitee and the other was with me saying "are we gonna go with her to this cult thing?" We went, supported her and proceeded to tell everyone we knew not to give them money. It's defs a cult.

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jazzknh1
jazzknh1

I have a friend involved in this. Kinda scared for her now.

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Hooligan
Hooligan

The lawsuit they attempted against the person who posted footage online was literally an attempt to doxx someone...im a bit scared to think what they would have done if they found out who it was

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Rayne Tannis
Rayne Tannis

When you engage in tactics that seem reminiscent of scientology and have that many lawsuits over being called a cult, it's a cult!

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cmhsky
cmhsky

This company puts people in a bubble for a weekend where they don't have anyone else to turn to, then brings out all this trauma, breaks people down, and like any good abuser, makes the victim feel like they're the one who's wrong. And at the end of it people have Stockholm syndrome. Wow

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Tiffanie Duncan
Tiffanie Duncan

Sounds like the same tactic the Scientologists take to criticism.

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Caitlyn Teppler
Caitlyn Teppler

I did landmark forum and had such a bad experience I was almost hospitalized for it. After watching this “leader” invalidate, mock and expose an 18 year old girls experience with parental abuse I walked out.

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Leyden Alexander
Leyden Alexander

I went to the 3 day forum and it is definitely a cult. Study scientology and then go through the forum and the similarities are striking. Probably the most off putting 3 days of my life.

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Leyden Alexander
Leyden Alexander

Ok bruh. I'm not doing this with you.

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Leyden Alexander
Leyden Alexander

I didn't see your response, but I respect her as a creator, and she prolly had her reasons.

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Leyden Alexander
Leyden Alexander

I worked with a guy who was really into landmark. We went on a few dates and he he was adamant I go, to the point where fo HIS birthday, he asked to pay for me to go. We were in sales and he was doing really well, so I though I'd check it out. It was mind bending in the worst way...he wouldn't let it go and wanted me to enroll in the next courses after to the point where I had to stop seeing him.

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Penguin DT
Penguin DT

Question - you said Landmark was in trouble with CAN (Cult Awareness Network) in the mid 90s. Was that before or after 1996? Because that's a big difference - CAN went bankrupt in 96 fighting Scientology and in turn, Scientology purchased them. In other words, pre '96 CAN was an independent anti-cult organisation, post '96 they've been a part of the Church of Scientology. Considering the continuous fights - both legal and illegal - between Erhard and Scientology, knowing the timing would be important.

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Leona Klajda
Leona Klajda

It's a cult. Past grad.

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ThatChickenbird tecregh
ThatChickenbird tecregh

i went to one of those it was wierd, one of the questions the woman presenting asked us was (paraphresed as its been years) "what does mean mean (gotta love the querks of the english language)" it was mostly just boring and also its true that u cant eat inside there my mom also went to one of those and she made quite a few cool friends

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ThatChickenbird tecregh
ThatChickenbird tecregh

just realized this is incoherent (too lazy to fix)

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4A 59
4A 59

I am so pissed off. iilluminaughtii, you are taking advantage of people all over the place just to build your following and revenue. So much the same as we are seeing all over the place. Everyone... do not trust this source unless some semblance of integrity is displayed in the future. Good luck everyone and let's stay connected and aware.

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Jedi The Kitten
Jedi The Kitten

Wtf are you talking about? Are you going to explain how she’s taking advantage of people or just leave it at that?

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Drée Beals
Drée Beals

I haven't watched this yet but my uncle is in this lol

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Ojreader
Ojreader

The woman I nannied for tried to get my husband and I to “sign up” and offered to loan me the money for it. It ruined the working relationship and I lost contact with the kids I had been working with for years. It broke my heart.

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Callzer
Callzer

@Ajaya J. thats not black mail.....

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Ajaya J.
Ajaya J.

Wow! That’s blackmail!

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Callzer
Callzer

cap

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Bingus Bongus
Bingus Bongus

This tactic isn't brain washing, it's brain fracturing. You're breaking down a person's psyche with this kind of behavior, then pushing them to blame themselves and make rash decisions when you have no idea of their circumstances. Not just people with mental illnesses, even just someone under a lot of stress will snap under these conditions.

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prismstudios001
prismstudios001

They got Rick Ross rolled!

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Pumpkin Necromancer
Pumpkin Necromancer

Blair, PLEASE stop accepting sponsorships from VPN companies like ExpressVPN and NordVPN! Literally every VPN that’s sponsored you has been spreading misinformation about internet privacy for the sake of getting more subscriptions and the only thing that’s actually true is the stuff about Netflix. It’s not ok for you to have a video series that calls out the bullshit of shady companies when you yourself are accepting sponsorships from an entire shady industry without researching if what they’re claiming is actually true. I love you but seriously stop it. I know sponsorships help you with your income but there are so many better companies that aren’t blatantly lying about something as serious as internet privacy and scarebaiting sales from people. They are using you and other youtubers like you to spread blatant lies!

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mattsimpleX
mattsimpleX

My oldest sister got involved with these people about ten years ago. Since then, she has approached me about joining dozens of times. The more I tell her I'm not interested, the more she stresses that I couldn't possibly know that I'm not interested since I haven't done the Forum. She successfully talked my youngest sister, my brother and both my parents into taking the Forum since that time. My brother, normally a strong critical thinker, came out of it much more enthused about it than it would seem is warranted, ready to just accept Landmark's word about their finances, for example. My parents never said a lot about it to me. My other sister has tried several times to approach me about joining, but finally gave up after a strongly worded 'no thank you!' But it's my oldest sister that is the most affected. A year and a half ago, I finally got fed up and told her in no uncertain terms that I had had enough. We had it out and I thought that was the end of it. In the meantime, she is an amazing person and totally supportive of me. But wtf? Why does everything have to come back to Landmark? She tried converting my 9 year old daughter, who is now 20. My daughter had a nervous breakdown the last time she was asked (recently) and basically had to emotionally tell her aunt to leave her alone about it. So, a year and a half after telling my sister in no uncertain terms what I thought of Landmark, just the other day she invites me to yet another meeting. This time it's on Zoom, so lots less pressure, she says. Just thought you might want to go. Fkn FACE PALM. Are you serious? I basically lost my mind on her. She literally told me it was my fault for not saying no 'forcefully enough'. At what point does no not mean no? There is no doubt in my mind that whatever good Landmark is doing - which is definitely SOME good - does not make up for the brainwashing and the weirdness, which essentially seems to come down to hard sales tactics, re-purposing and branding certain terminology that contributes to an us-vs.-them mentality, and some relatively mild groupthink that acts as the glue to keep their capitalist approach alive. Her argument as to why Landmark is not a cult is that 'what sort of cult tells you to go make things right with your family'? Here's my answer: the one that needs an endless supply of new customers.

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nismo510
nismo510

I had a boss at a car dealership that was in that cult. He was a broke nerd so apparently it doesn't do ya much good lmao. Tried to get me and another coworker to go to it in order to get promoted at work, we both did a little research and told him there's no way in hell. We got fired, and come to pick up our last check only to find he has entirely re-staffed the dealership with the kind of people you would pick up at a grayhound station. Glad to have dodged that bullet.

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lisa xd
lisa xd

thank you for making this video! my mom (she was in unicity, another MLM) made us all go through the forums back in 2017 which had her friends from her MLM as some sort of invigilators and she said that i would not get the best experience if i did not talk about myself and they would have to pay $3k for this 3 day event! they put a huge emphasis in their "you are not the victim in anything, nothing wrong ever happened to you it's all your own victimizing perspective and you should just keep calm and take control of your own things so that you can get out of nasty situations " speeches. I ended up having to fake a panic attack right before lunch just so that they would let me go off early and give me a refund.

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emilee brotman
emilee brotman

New subscriber here! I was excited to see this title while scrolling through your videos. I’m a two time attendee of the three day course (as a teen, both times) and a product of basically an entire side of my family who grew up attending EST and Landmark. My grandfather is the only one left who’s heavily involved still (he attends and volunteers). I did benefit in one way, and that would be the basic practice of social skills with other teens that were present. It’s like group therapy, you get to know people pretty fast which can be comforting for people like me who are bad at small talk. Other than that? Absolutely nothing. My family’s rhetoric is ridden with Landmark terminology, and it’s definitely negatively impacted me. The reason Landmark rhetoric is so dangerous is because it can unintentionally fall into the category of gaslighting and create a pretty mentally abusive environment at home (I say unintentionally because I don’t see my family as malicious, just completely mislead on on communication skills and how things can come off, genuinely believing they’re helping someone see something from a different perspective). But as they say, good intention can be the pathway to hell. I’ve been in an extremely mentally abusive relationship, and I find it interesting that on the surface, I can’t tell the difference between Landmark ideology and the words my abuser would use to control me. The only real difference was the intent behind it. The other problem I had was the relentless recruitment attempts, ridiculous pricing, and the fact that they had a small children’s program. My mother was the person that saved me from going to the children’s program when my father’s side of the family insisted that I did. She 100% refused due to her trauma with EST and I’m forever thankful that she protected me from being indoctrinated at a young age with a mindset that could have put me at even higher risk for abusive dynamics and self hate. Landmark would benefit if they had a more stringent screening process, mental health professionals, and actually listened to their critics without weaponizing subjective ideology to discredit said critics. The reason I haven’t said “shut the whole thing down” is because I do think it helps some really stubborn people mend some pretty big personal and interpersonal road blocks in their life, but like others have mentioned, at what cost? For every person who benefited, there’s a person who felt guilt tripped into the whole thing and felt catapulted into a nihilistic worldview that imposed emotional responsibility solely on the participant to the point where it’s almost like you’re not even allowed to have a reaction to anything. If I hear I’m “having a reaction” or “running a racket” or “made something mean something” one more time, I will probably just start flailing. And yes, I have a hard time having a relationship with some of my dad’s side of the family because of this. Interestingly enough, the person actively involved the longest, my grandfather as I mentioned, is 100% a narcissist in my opinion and that should be a solid testimony for long term participation right there.

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enriched macaroni product
enriched macaroni product

my mom spent so much money to bring me here and its insane because it was just sitting in a room to have people say "lol like dont be bad or something idfk" and her thing was just someone going "lol dont be sad or something idfk" its definitely a cult but at least I got a cool notebook out of it

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Practice Positive Progress
Practice Positive Progress

My mom went to an event she calls “the landmark forum” several decades ago and it’s something that she talks about from time to time. I’m super eager to watch this video because this event is something my mom brings up over and over as a pretty life changing event for her. My mom is someone who typically gives people the benefit of the doubt, and supports friends who are part of mlms, but she isn’t generally dumb or gullible. My impression going in is that I can imagine it may be cult like if you get deeper into it (no idea) but my mom gained a lot of valuable insight and information that has helped her a lot in life, and that she has passed on to me, from the landmark forum. Edit to add: this is my comment pre- watching the video

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Nathan Long
Nathan Long

Cults are ran by mentally unwell people!

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kie
kie

My dad used to go to landmark in Chicago, and had to take me along. I remember he would go to the adult meeting while the staff gathered the kids there to take us to the “kids” meeting. I remember going to an empty office like room with a bunch of chairs arranged in a sort of classroom style. There were two staff members and maybe about 14 kids? (I don’t remember that well) during the meeting they would ask us how we felt about life and mostly “the meaning of life” type things. I got super super bored and just got my Nintendo dsi out and started secretly playing on it with the volume down.

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Peach!
Peach!

What good timing. My friend is trying to “recruit me” because she has become a leader now. Ummm. No thanks. No Scientology lite for me.

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Aku
Aku

I did cough up the $800 and went to a session over a weekend, when I was in possibly the lowest moment of my life. And that's exactly where they try to get you. I was dealing with a breakup, the workload of an engineering degree, and rough patches in some of my friendships. And I got pulled in. The room was full of other very lost people. I was easily the youngest one in the room. I admit, there were some genuinely useful things said in there, but it was nothing profound. All they did was say things that were common sense, with slightly more flowery language, and unnecessarily so. Impressive, if you didn't know what they were saying, but take away the fancy language, and it wasn't that deep at all. They claimed a transformation over the weekend with them, but I honestly improved a lot more while spending time with my close friends who care about me and hold me accountable to do well. The only thing I did get out of Landmark, for sure, was a master class on how easy it is to control people at their low points. It seemed frighteningly easy. I blocked their number and put their emails under spam. I'm never going back.

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bobalvr
bobalvr

I went to what a thought was an LA historical event that turned out to be hosted by Landmark to commemorate the Source Family Cult. It was held at a business that is owned by members of Landmark, and they push their employees VERY hard to attend Landmark seminars, and use it's practices in how they run their business. They were hardcore fishing for new members among people who may be interested in or romanticizing a past cult. Between the CBD course and the "Laughing Yoga" under the looming projected face of Father Yod, It was pretty uncomfortable

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Hitch
Hitch

On "getting down to a truth", that sounds very much like suggestion.

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Bobby M
Bobby M

The answer is no, but some of the followers are cultish. It's a decent course, doesn't deliver on what they promise in the long run though. If you ever feel like getting a first-person account, feel free to give me a shout, I'm an open book.

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Sijia Lü
Sijia Lü

OMG you actually made one on Landmark! My mom joined Landmark 2 years ago because her friend made her go to one of their seminars. I found the general idea of Landmark very strange plus I was busy with high school so I never went there. When I asked my mom to give me a brief explanation of Landmark and she could never really explain to me what it is, plus she said a few people broke out of the room when the host started blasting them with abusive comments so they already had a bad rep in my heart. Their teaching materials are really strange too, I had a brief read of some papers landmark have gave to my mom, and half of it is about how to convince other people in to joining. They literally have a paper where half of the page is just "erollment is good for them" in bold. The other half of the papers landmark gave my mom is something about "your past doesn't matter" "your future is decided by you" and "you are your own person" kind of generic self help book with a touch of law of attraction bs. On the bright side, my mom made some friends I guess

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veronica envy
veronica envy

all of these teachings are also teachings in scientology, unsurprisingly

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Jake Myers
Jake Myers

I attended the forum when I was 15 or 16 with my best friend and I'll admit that my memories are hazy. I think that because I did it when I was so young I didn't really have the emotional baggage that most people had, as my friend and I were easily the youngest people in the room, but I do remember trying to come up with stories of sadness and depression that really were not true just so that I could fit in and have something to share. My friend on the other hand had some serious emotional baggage as he dealt with abandonment issues from his father, and by the end of the forum, he was in tears. I do remember them preaching about self-control and recognition as if you had full control over your life and any ill-will you had was something your power to let go and for my friend, this was actually a good thing cause it gave him the initiative to mend the relationship with his father. For me, I think it was a pretty useless experience and a waste of a weekend. There certainly was this strong sense of collectivism as I felt the emotions of everyone else around me as if I was the one suffering, and also felt a strong urge to cry by the end, when in reality I have a very charmed life with a stable family that loved me and nothing really to complain about, which looking back was really strange, almost as if they convinced me that I did have some underlying problem. Honestly, I don't recommend it as it didn't leave any lasting impact and I don't think you get anything out of it that you couldn't get from some serious self-reflection/introspection or professional private help. It's strange too cause I felt like I should have gotten something out of it, with the reverence that my family gave it, and at the time I think I felt guilty for not.

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Breezys
Breezys

My parents went to Landmark several many times when I was growing up. For a while they were weird scary shell people. They tried to get me to go when I was maybe 12? I ended up dipping out.

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Lloyd Dragon He they fae
Lloyd Dragon He they fae

"defamation" doesn't mean "they said something I don't like so I'm gonna sue them wahhh"

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Lloyd Dragon He they fae
Lloyd Dragon He they fae

oh no. if he dabbled in Scientology and then started making "seminars" don't. go. to. them.

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Telengard Forever
Telengard Forever

Your reading of the text passage starting at 5:04 has a lot of errors. Just a FYI.

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Dopamine
Dopamine

I was brainwashed by them to an extent. They create an atmosphere that makes you feel happy and enlightened but that isn't really in line with the real world. I remember getting absorbed into their mentality and that I had to keep coming back and paying for more sessions or volunteering at events just to keep chasing that high I felt when I was part of the group and embracing that message. In the end, it was a waste of time and really taught me nothing that I didn't already know. All I know is that me and most people I met there ended up regretting it one way or another.

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Stephanie Lynn
Stephanie Lynn

I got tricked into going to a Landmark sales pitch. They separated us from those who brought us and they were really, really pushy. I got such a bad feeling

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Loreen L
Loreen L

A coworker took me to an introductory session back in the 80s. The pressure to sign up for a course was horrible and relentless. I said “not right now” and they blasted me for not wanting to make my life better. I was so uncomfortable I finally turned and left while the person was telling me what a shame it was that I didn’t want to take responsibility for my life. Great way to get customers.

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T O
T O

I love your vids, but the background music on this one was almost overpowering your voice through most of it.

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jokkaber
jokkaber

my mum has been fully into landmark since before i was born and so i was raised using a fucking weird jargony vocab that i still dont understand. When i was about 11 i think, she took me and my sister to london to do the youth seminar where two things really stick out in my memory. First we were told that every time we sat down we gad to sit with someone new which they said was so that we wouldn't talk over the speaker. Second was that they told us so, so emphatically that "your parents owe you nothing. And you will always owe them everything." which is so fucking damaging, especially to kids who's parents do/have abused them. My mum has since hopscotched from seminar to seminar, self-help group to holistic business success group and theyre all so similar i genuinely cannot tell them apart and theyve all kind of mixed together in her head so much that i feel like she has a completely unique language so any conversation i have with her feels like im talking to someone with whom i only share a second language that neither of us speak particularly well. More recently, about 2 years ago, she brought the family to an introduction. At the beginning we were encouraged to talk to the person sat next to us so i got to know a really nice girl who later on went up to speak and really opened up about her depression and suicidal thoughts until she was interrupted by the course leader who told her in no uncertain terms that it was all just in her head and that she was choosing to experience it, before dismissing her back to her seat. Didn't improve my impression of the forum much and thankfully most of my family felt the same except of course my mum who defended it saying it was just that speaker. TLDR not a fan.

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helliekitty
helliekitty

My brother was in it and would just called everyone in the family all the time to spend money on it, that he and we didn't have. It was so crappy I felt I lost him. He's out now, he still happy with it, but our family was not. I looked at it as a cult. Cause it is.

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pianobooks42
pianobooks42

Gaslighting The Movie? Like seriously, taking responsibility for your actions is important. But not everything that happens to you is your fault. And in many cases, there's split blame. My partner and I operate on the idea that you should take responsibility for your actions and work to change problems that you personally create. But as long as you do this, you're not gonna get judged. For example, I had never put myself first in my life due to parentification, trauma, and mama bear instincts. When I was given that freedom, I took it too far. I definitely got selfish. I didn't hurt her directly, but I put my needs first all the time, which made her feel burnt out and unappreciated. She called me out on this. I ofc felt a bit defensive at first, but I realized what I'd done and apologized. Now I actively work to make sure she's feeling loved and cared for even during times that I want to just lay in bed and have her cook dinner or something. I made sure she knows she can call me out on it, and she has. The balance is way better now, and I monitor my behavior for this still a year later. If she had yelled at me or insulted me or insisted that I was inherently a selfish person, I don't think I would've listened. I would've felt more defensive, been angry, and my trauma would've resurfaced. If this was a rando 3rd party doing this, I would not only have all that but also not feel safe due to not knowing the person well. I'd probably have a panic attack. And I generally have memory lapses around panic attacks. Let alone the fact that it would've been in front of a crowd. Google says their weekend costs over $600. With insurance, my therapy costs $20 per 1hr session. That's 30 hours of real, licensed therapy. Or you can go to a calm support group for free. Or if you're coming from abuse, there are free therapy and support group programs for that. Or you can go on a damn facebook group and get better advice.

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